A very interesting read:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/06/30/doomsdaycollider.ap/index.html

I was reading about that last week I think. I must say I don't share the doom and gloom scenario though and go along with the following

Quote:

In rebutting doomsday scenarios, CERN scientists point out that cosmic rays have been bombarding the earth, and triggering collisions similar to those planned for the collider, since the solar system formed 4.5 billion years ago.

I read about this last week too. Sounds like someone has a god complex, come on give me a brake......

This scare mongering reminds me of when scientists were speculating that the entire atmosphere could burn up before the first A-bomb test and the energies involved there were a lot greater than the CERN will ever use in one shot.

I doubt anything bad would happen but let's face it... this thing is designed to give scientists a window into processes they don't necessarily understand yet. Hopefully they have a good enough idea on how they work to avoid danger.

But seriously a black hole seems a little far-fetched. We don't even know what they are really in the first place so how do we know that it would be necessarily destructive?

Who knows... It's immensely interesting to read about but I'm glad I'm not in that line of work. I actually wanted to be an Astrophysicist when I was a kid for some reason but when I realized at the sheer quantity of math that was involved and then realized my own ability at math I realized that learning about space would have to be a hobby, not a profession.

I think it's an incredibly fascinating subject. If they discovered for a fact that multiple dimensions existed, it'd really open a new field of study.

I was watching something about Time yesterday. Basically they were pointing out how it's unique Humans can perceive time. That it's both internal and external. What was really amazing was how they analyzed the "time slows down" when we're in life or death situations. They performed an experiment with a guy by dropping him 12 stories into a net. He had an LED bracelet on that flashed a number so quickly he couldn't read it when standing on the ground safely. But when dropped from the height, his body seemingly slowed time down enough to read the number, twice. It was quite fascinating.

They even did an experiment showing how drugs speed up or slow down time in a lab. They used mice trained to hit a switch at exactly 12 seconds. The controlled mouse with a saline injection hit the switch at exactly 12 seconds like trained. The mouse on marijuana took about 16 seconds and the mouse on cocaine did it in about 8 - showing how one drug slows the perception/experience of time down, and another speed it up.

Scientists boldly go forth

August 7, 2008


Geneva - The world's most powerful particle accelerator, aimed at unlocking secrets of the universe, will be launched on September 10, the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) said on Thursday.

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC), housed in an underground tunnel 27 kilometres in circumference, will recreate conditions just after the Big Bang which many scientists believe gave birth to the universe.

It will seek to collide two beams of particles at close to the speed of light.

"The first attempt to circulate a beam in the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be made on September 10," the Geneva-based CERN said in a statement.

The LHC will study a new frontier of physics, producing beams with seven times more energy than any previous machine.

Dark matter

But starting it up is not as simple as flipping a switch.

Each of its eight sectors must be cooled to their operating temperature of minus 271 degrees Celsius, colder than outer space. This phase is reaching a successful conclusion but electrical testing must follow.

"We're finishing a marathon with a sprint," said LHC project leader Lyn Evans. "It's been a long haul and we're all eager to get the LHC research programme underway."

Scientists hope the experiment will help explain fundamental questions such as how particles acquire mass. They will also probe the mysterious dark matter of the universe and investigate why there is more matter than antimatter.

About 10 000 scientists from around the world have worked on the complex $9.5bn apparatus since construction began in 1994, a spokesperson said.


Source: News24.com

Gosh but this is an enormous project - "housed in an underground tunnel 27 kilometres in circumference" with "10 000 scientists from around the world" contributing to it. Cooling the entire chamber to just above Absolute Zero (-273.15 °C/-459.67 °F) must take some air conditioning

This is a very interesting read alright

The science channel has had a few shows previewing this experiment with interviews & videos, that thing is HUGE.
They described what (they think) black is & how its everywhere in the universe.


The science channel had a program about what you (John) were describing how time (appears to) slows down as one ages, good stuff.

gries818 wrote:

I doubt anything bad would happen but let's face it... this thing is designed to give scientists a window into processes they don't necessarily understand yet. Hopefully they have a good enough idea on how they work to avoid danger. But seriously a black hole seems a little far-fetched. We don't even know what they are really in the first place so how do we know that it would be necessarily destructive? Who knows... It's immensely interesting to read about but I'm glad I'm not in that line of work. I actually wanted to be an Astrophysicist when I was a kid for some reason but when I realized at the sheer quantity of math that was involved and then realized my own ability at math I realized that learning about space would have to be a hobby, not a profession.

What they are afraid of mainly is that there will be proper conditions for a black hole to be created and evolve. As we know a black hole is a region of space that gravity is tremendous that even light cannot escape. This causes the material to concentrate and gravity is getting even more tremendous.If the conditions for a black hole creation are met and the black hole is created then I feel like there's nothing able to stop it. What one should examine though is the strength of the black hole and when gravity is tremendous for us on earth. I wouldn't afraid of earth being swallowed and suppressed in a black hole , I believe we do not have the knowledge , the means and the machinery to produce a phenomenon like this. I would be scared though about the time abnormalities that may occur due to gravity and magnetic field inconsistencies that consequently will occur if such a phenomenon starts to occur even in minimum scale.

kanaloa wrote:

I think it's an incredibly fascinating subject. If they discovered for a fact that multiple dimensions existed, it'd really open a new field of study. I was watching something about Time yesterday. Basically they were pointing out how it's unique Humans can perceive time. That it's both internal and external. What was really amazing was how they analyzed the "time slows down" when we're in life or death situations. They performed an experiment with a guy by dropping him 12 stories into a net. He had an LED bracelet on that flashed a number so quickly he couldn't read it when standing on the ground safely. But when dropped from the height, his body seemingly slowed time down enough to read the number, twice. It was quite fascinating. They even did an experiment showing how drugs speed up or slow down time in a lab. They used mice trained to hit a switch at exactly 12 seconds. The controlled mouse with a saline injection hit the switch at exactly 12 seconds like trained. The mouse on marijuana took about 16 seconds and the mouse on cocaine did it in about 8 - showing how one drug slows the perception/experience of time down, and another speed it up.

The parallel dimensions or levels of space may exist in a different time perception or in a different wave length world where one could see , hear or sense above or below our wave length abilities. It is like animals do now in a matter of speech. If we could see atoms moving faster than the speed of light then we would have opened our eyes to a possible parallel dimension. Einstein said that if you go faster than the speed of light then mass becomes energy. Is that a law that the nature has accepted ( Einstein was in a very close scientific relation with Karatheodori ) and on what basis ? Is this a law accepted only when the conditions are as they're now on earth and out known space ? Does that law applies on a black hole or on space regimes with loose gravity ? Is light energy then or mass ? Is it both ? And how come we can see it ? Why the speed of light , such a common form of mass/energy ( as proved ) is so important for nature ? What happens in total loss of light and what above the speed of light ? Is light visible then ?

There have been some time perception experiments. Based on Einstein theory is one with two trains that both need to travel a very long distance and the first one would be running in almost normal speeds the second would run in a speed close to the speed of light.For a man on the first train time would have passed normally although for the other one , although time in the train would be almost normal on the outside world time would have stopped and if the trains were to travel for say 40 years the first man would be forty years older while the second that would travel the forty earth years distance running with the speed of light , would only be some minutes or hours older.

Grav!ty wrote:

Scientists boldly go forth August 7, 2008 Geneva - The world's most powerful particle accelerator, aimed at unlocking secrets of the universe, will be launched on September 10, the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) said on Thursday. The Large Hadron Collider (LHC), housed in an underground tunnel 27 kilometres in circumference, will recreate conditions just after the Big Bang which many scientists believe gave birth to the universe. It will seek to collide two beams of particles at close to the speed of light. "The first attempt to circulate a beam in the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be made on September 10," the Geneva-based CERN said in a statement. The LHC will study a new frontier of physics, producing beams with seven times more energy than any previous machine. Dark matter But starting it up is not as simple as flipping a switch. Each of its eight sectors must be cooled to their operating temperature of minus 271 degrees Celsius, colder than outer space. This phase is reaching a successful conclusion but electrical testing must follow. "We're finishing a marathon with a sprint," said LHC project leader Lyn Evans. "It's been a long haul and we're all eager to get the LHC research programme underway." Scientists hope the experiment will help explain fundamental questions such as how particles acquire mass. They will also probe the mysterious dark matter of the universe and investigate why there is more matter than antimatter. About 10 000 scientists from around the world have worked on the complex $9.5bn apparatus since construction began in 1994, a spokesperson said. Source: News24.com

I believe they should go forth.

The question here is if we're ready to handle what we will find out.

According to our myth-history the world has gone again through a time of such discoveries but they tried to play God afterwards ( Atlantis' habintats would be amongst the ones who done that in the worst way ).